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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3009#p3009</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Thanks for your help FranciscoR.

Flo, (or anyone else that can help,) out of curiosity, exactly what information is not exported?]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (krislin)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3005#p3005</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Yes indeed... [b]let us not forget we are all on the same team[/b]. ;)]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (CybTekSol)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 21:40:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3000#p3000</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Some additional "category like" management could be very helpful.  Thanks Flo!

I do apologize for responding in kind.  My "tone" could have been better.  

--appyface]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (appyface)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=3000#p3000</guid>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2999#p2999</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I'd actually prefer if such discussions could go without that somewhat unfriendly tone. 

Anyway:
1. No, renaming categories is not possible easily and it hasn't been intented so far.
2. When exporting and importing, you might lose some information. Nothing critical, but there simply is some information that should not be transfered to other users' databases.
3. At some point, there *might* be a category management, but it doesn't seem necessary currently. Maybe it'll also be replaced by tags or something like this.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (floele)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 15:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2999#p2999</guid>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2988#p2988</link>
			<description><![CDATA[You are incorrect sir on all your assumptions.  It is not a bug, it is a decision Flo made deliberately.  Ketarin will behave differently if your configuration of Ketarin apps requires the missing data.  Find the post.  Case closed.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (appyface)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 14:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2988#p2988</guid>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2983#p2983</link>
			<description><![CDATA[[quote=appyface]I simply pointed out this method *may* not result in Ketarin behaving the same as it would have, had the person not followed this workraound, because not all values are exported to XML.[/quote]
This is an IRRELEVANT piece of information as such a bug as never been reported. Case closed.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (FranciscoR)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:50:07 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2983#p2983</guid>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2980#p2980</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Noted... FranciscoR will have to answer that one. ;)]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (CybTekSol)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2980#p2980</guid>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2978#p2978</link>
			<description><![CDATA[OK - but what was the point of mentioning that?  I still don't get what relevance or significance that has to the conversation that was taking place.  Sorry.  It doesn't make any sense to me.

--appyface]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (appyface)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2978#p2978</guid>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2977#p2977</link>
			<description><![CDATA[[quote=appyface][quote=FranciscoR]You are not talking of CIV (variable), you are talking of CIV content.[/quote]
I haven't any idea what you are arguing, sorry.[/quote]
I believe FranciscoR means that the xml stores [code]<VariableChangeIndicator>{version}</VariableChangeIndicator>[/code] for example but not the content/data related to that from the Jobs.db such as version '1.2.3' for the last run of Ketarin. Otherwise, I don't believe FranciscoR is disagreeing with your assessment appyface. ;)]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (CybTekSol)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2977#p2977</guid>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2975#p2975</link>
			<description><![CDATA[[quote=FranciscoR]You are not talking of CIV (variable), you are talking of CIV content.[/quote]
I haven't any idea what you are arguing, sorry.

I came in to this thread, I saw a person had asked about easier way to rename categories .  A workaround was suggested, in the form of exporting the XML, mass-updating the categories as desired, and then re-importing the XML.  I simply pointed out this method *may* not result in Ketarin behaving the same as it would have, had the person not followed this workraound, because not all values are exported to XML.

I stand by what I wrote.  Flo has chosen to not export everything and he has written about this in at least one of previous posts here.

--appyface]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (appyface)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 03:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2973#p2973</link>
			<description><![CDATA[[quote=FranciscoR]XML import is very predictable...[/quote]
It has been for me also FranciscoR, although some content/data is not preserved such as 'CIV' content/data, and if my memory serves me correctly 'version' content/data that existed before.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (CybTekSol)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 02:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2969#p2969</link>
			<description><![CDATA[You are not talking of CIV (variable), you are talking of CIV content. For the record I have never experienced such a problem, XML import is very predictable.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (FranciscoR)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 01:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2968#p2968</link>
			<description><![CDATA[[quote=FranciscoR]Actually CIV is a bad example[/quote]
Actually, it's a perfect example.  Results may not be predictable because not all values are exported to the XML.  The context of this thread is changing the category and re-importing the XML, not other tweaks to the XML.

--appyface]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (appyface)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 00:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2967#p2967</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Actually CIV is a bad example because you can 'reset' value replacing
[code]<VariableChangeIndicator>{version}</VariableChangeIndicator>[/code]
with
[code]<VariableChangeIndicator />[/code]
using the same procedure. But I know what you're talking about ;), there are a lot of settings not available in XML export.


@krislin, others

IF you also use category in paths and commands remember to change those as well. The alternative is to use a [url=http://cdburnerxp.se/help/kb/20]{category} variable[/url]. Technible for instance would save users some trouble if they used this (and other built-in variables).]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (FranciscoR)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 19:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
			<guid>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2967#p2967</guid>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Renaming Categories]]></title>
			<link>http://ketarin.canneverbe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=2963#p2963</link>
			<description><![CDATA[Some things (example: CIV) do NOT export to XML.  (I have asked, Flo's answer is still "no").  

So you will not necessarily end up with with an equivalent database except for desired category change, by exporting and re-importing, depending on how your apps are configured.  

Worst case you will just redownload some apps that do not need to be redownloaded, so it is not a monumental problem.  Just wanted to point this out, so anyone going this route is not surprised by any change in Ketarin's behavior following re-import.

--appyface]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (appyface)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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